The first time I saw A Christmas Story, the scene where Ralphie got his LIttle Orphan Annie Secret Decoder, only to find out that the secret message was a commercial, I was reminded of all these "special announcements" that were just crappy commercials. An early ah ha for me as a teenager in the 1980s.
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2005 Big Announcement (Disappointment)
by Fred Franztone ini remember around 2005, there was an announcement made from the platform that in a few weeks time we would have to remain at the end of the sunday meeting for a big announcement, directly from the society.. i remember all the murmuring, people thought maybe this was going to be related to armageddon.
everyone was excited, people were speculating.
only the po in each congregation had any idea what was going on, and they were frequently pestered for information, but sworn to secrecy, which only hyped things up even more.. then the meeting came, anticipation was in the air, the announcement started, you could hear a pin drop.
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California Tubbs Fire photos you might not find find anywhere else...
by La Capra into quote someone near and dear: they should have built the whole kingdom hall out of the same thing they built the signs.... i had to wait nearly two weeks to get into the neighborhood to get these pictures for your voyeuristic interests...this is peanuts compared to the over 5,000 homes that were destroyed (this number includes individual units in large apartment complexes that were completely razed).
those pictures and videos are available in the media.
wine country is a community devastated..
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La Capra
To To quote someone near and dear: They should have built the whole Kingdom Hall out of the same thing they built the signs...
I had to wait nearly two weeks to get into the neighborhood to get these pictures for your voyeuristic interests...This is peanuts compared to the over 5,000 homes that were destroyed (this number includes individual units in large apartment complexes that were completely razed). Those pictures and videos are available in the media. Wine Country is a community devastated.
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What is Ibid?
by Belladonna75 inhi all, i'm diving deep into historical jw literature research and i keep seeing ibid as a frequently cited source - what is this?
i've tried the old google, but no luck.
does this stand for something (i'm probably missing something incredibly obvious) or have i spent too many hours reading 1930s the golden age magazines and depleted all my electrons already?
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La Capra
The Latin abbreviation ib id. or ibid., followed by a page number means that the source of the material is the same as the previous source but on a different page. It can also mean a previous source (but not the source immediately prior) and will be used with an accepted diminutive form of the cite, and the page number.
Now, if the source is exactly the same as the previous citation, including same page, the writer would use id.
Style and Form manuals are essential to have around for anyone who communicates to a professional audience in writing. No one reads an article or a legal brief that is properly cited and says, "geez-what a prick, everything is properly cited - OCD much?" However, if the citations are loose, incomplete, missing a year, volume number, or page number, you can bet that some of the readers in the know will start to discredit the message because of the laziness of the writer or the mistake of the writer.
However, in the legal briefs and points and authorities I read regularly, the citations I see messed up all the time are ib id. and id.
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Sonoma County California Folks-Need Some Information Please
by La Capra inif you would know the name of an elder, about 78 or 79, and a pioneer, who is on the northern bay area medical liaison committee, i would really appreciate the information in a private message.
this request is related to family concerns.
he probably is based in sebastopol, but we don't know for sure..
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La Capra
nevermind...got the info elsewhere. Thanks.
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Sonoma County California Folks-Need Some Information Please
by La Capra inif you would know the name of an elder, about 78 or 79, and a pioneer, who is on the northern bay area medical liaison committee, i would really appreciate the information in a private message.
this request is related to family concerns.
he probably is based in sebastopol, but we don't know for sure..
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La Capra
Hi there,
If you would know the name of an elder, about 78 or 79, and a pioneer, who is on the Northern Bay Area Medical Liaison Committee, I would really appreciate the information in a private message. This request is related to family concerns. He probably is based in Sebastopol, but we don't know for sure.
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Another big step on my journey
by LogansRun in1987 attended the memorial for the first time, and the last time?
2016. it was a big step for me to not go last night i'm convincing myself that i really do have the strength to never return to this living nightmare of a religion.
you may recall i'm a fader my last meeting was 9 months ago and i have deflected a number of attempted visits and dozens of phone calls they now just hang up on my answering machine, as a matter of fact they did it again this morning.
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Oh wow. 1987 was the last memorial (tm) I attended. I was 19. It has been 30 years. Weeeeeeeeeee.
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Fading or Disassociating
by Saethydd inhello, i'm new here.. i'm a college student who has been raised in the "truth" for my entire life.
i was baptized at 10 years old, and looking back now i know i didn't fully grasp everything involved, for one thing i don't even recall ever going to jehovah in a special prayer to dedicate myself to him, but anyway that's the past and my focus is really on the present.
i'm currently pursuing an associates degree, but i find myself desiring to pursue a bachelors in my chosen field so that i may have a somewhat more secure future.
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La Capra
I was in mostly the same situation now almost 30 years ago, except I was not disfellowshipped and had not done anything that would warrant that.
However it was extremely unusual for anyone in our congregation to go to college and I was actually pursuing a BA. Even though I was raised JW by my mom, my dad was not JW. My mom had graduated from college prior to converting.
So she really understood the importance of an education. But alas, I didn't make it through my first year of college before I realized I needed out of the religion, for at least a dozen reasons. But I lived at home with my mom and dad and couldn't not participate in the religion without taking a stand.
If could have done anything differently, I would have stuck it out as a pretender until I had graduated, was self-supporting, and I could have moved away and faded. But I couldn't live that lie for longer than a few months.
Life probably would have been a little easier for me if I had been able to wait and fade, but "those people" were really horrid to me solely because I was going to the university.
If I had faded rather than DA, I think I would still have my mom in my life. But now that my dad has passed away, she doesn't have to have anything to do with me or her grandchildren. I don't think the kids are missing out on much, but it is one factor I hadn't considered at all when I was 19 and publicly walked away. I miss the emotional intimacy that was once shared between a mother and daughter, and there is nothing that can replace that. But knowing it was all conditional in the first place, softens the blow. Now I just focus on providing that for my own children, knowing it is really and truly unconditional.
As far as advice-it's not too complicated: Just sock away as much money as you can, don't waste it on eating out, Starbucks, or vacations; and try to pay as you go for college rather than taking loans. You'll be happier later on not being in debt and hopefully not needing to live month to month. It won't be long before you are living the life you want and in the blink of an eye, you'll be a but a few years from the retirement they told you you'd never see in "this system."
I choose not to dwell too much on whether the corporation is corrupt, greedy, negligent, or evil. I'm not sure it accomplishes a thing. However, all I have come to know about its workings over the last 30 years has only given me the peace of mind that if God does exist in their definition of God, that God would have shut down that racket 100 years ago.
Here's to your comfortable retirement in 30 years' time🍾.
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What's The First "Worldly" Thing You Did When You Exited The Cult?
by pale.emperor inwhen you finally and officially exited the cult, whether it be by disfellowshipping, disassociating or fading - what was the first things you did that are considered "worldly"?.
for me, it was like crash landing on another planet that looked like earth but was completely different to the earth i knew.
i wanted to learn everything that i thought i already knew.. first things i did:.
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Bought and wore a bikini on family trip to Hawaii (actually, that was just before the exit, but I had already decided that I was out, and didn't want to waste the opportunity)
Registered to Vote
Dressed up for Halloween and went to a dorm house party at Cal
Bought Christmas presents for my friends and non-witness family
Went to see what other religions were up to (the full gamut-buddhism to Judaism)
Watched all the funny sitcoms that I had been missing on meeting nights
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Why Marrying An Outsider Is NOT A Disfellowshipping "Offense"
by Divergent inso yeah, i was thinking about this.
marrying an unbeliever is considered to be wrong, but at the same time, it is not a disfellowshipping "offense".
well, the reason is simple: there is more to gain than to lose by not disfellowshipping.
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La Capra
I recall, back in the 1980's, in our congregation, 2 single female members who were best friends. Both were physically beautiful and with great personalities. One was the daughter of an elder, the other's father was not a JW (her mom was). As they approached their late 20s and it was apparent there were no suitable prospects, they happened to meet two fellows that were not JWs and were also best friends. As the relationships progressed, both couples decided to get married. They brought their beaus to the meetings, the fiancés had bible studies (with the elder) and they were going to get baptized--blah-blah-blah.
The elder's daughter saw fit to go and get married before her beau's baptism took place and NOTHING happened to her. Bride number 2 started to plan her own wedding, inviting many the same friends that attended the elder's daughter's wedding (said elder having performed the ceremony).
Boom-the special needs talks start up: there were three of them in two months: That we shouldn't date unbelievers, that we shouldn't associate with sisters that do, that we shouldn't attend such a wedding between a a sister and an unbeliever, that the bride-to-be should be marked, etc.
It was so horrible that under threat from her mom that she would not attend their wedding, the second bride and her fiancé postponed their wedding until after he got baptized. Everyone talked about how faithful she was and how she was rewarded. But I thought everyone was a bunch of hypocritical bullies. I was about 15 and decided then and there that I would never mark or shun anyone, and would associate with any and all who treated me kindly and wanted to hang out. (Of course I eventually got marked and shunned for that attitude.)
Oh, and that elder's son-in-law? He never did get baptized, the elder's daughter was never marked or shunned, and the elder retained all of his "privileges."
So that's what the elders might do about it.
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According to one JW there can only be 1 of 3 reasons why you left.
by Bonsai ini asked an old jw friend of mine why so many baptized individuals leave the jw religion.
"did it ever occur to you, old friend, that maybe they know something that you don't know and have valid reasons for leaving?
", i asked.. his response set me back for an answer.
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La Capra
What a lovely thread. I remember a conversation with an "older" female member who was certain that if I had not been raised as a Jehovah's Witness that I would be living a teen life of debauchery, strung out on heroin, prostituting for my next fix, and I would probably be well on my way to prison or the unwed mothers' home-and how fortunate I was to have been given this gift by my mom. I was about 16 at the time and was certain none of those things interested me because of my personality and my interests (academics, classical music, and other wholesome interests), not because my mom was raising me in the religion. I told her as much and informed her there were many girls at my school who were not JWs and not doing any of those things either. Of course she disagreed, and we agreed to disagree.
Fast forward 3 years, one lovely May day, when I realized, without any doubt in my mind, that God, as I always knew it, simply did not exist. Once that happened, there was no going back.
Although I had the opportunity to be stumbled many times, I wasn't, so my pride didn't interfere.
Although leaving would give me the opportunity to fornicate without their consequences, that was the least of my interests.
Being gay didn't interest me, so that wasn't it.
I did finally leave, since I no longer believed, because they were harassing me and some were shunning me for attending college, even though I had my mother's permission and support. Not being beholden to them gave me the freedom to become an educated, self-supporting woman. No one "in the world" ever takes the fact that I left the JWs to mean I am 1) a fornicator; 2) too proud to be a member of a religious congregation; or 3) LGBQT.
I wonder if the JW that said those things was projecting their own weaknesses onto those who have exited...